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Post by Christ is My Life! on Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:52 pm

A good friend in Christ sent me this...I will post the entire email and the information.

Greetings All.....


As some of you will already know, the battle between

creationists and evolutionists has been waging for years,

not only in the USA, but in other nations as well, such as

in the European Union. Sadly, similar to the United States,

once-Christian Europe is slowly turning her back on God. In

fact, she has now backslidden so far, that some of her

leaders view Intelligent Design and Creationism as a valid

threat to their way of life, and their insistence in

teaching evolutionary theory. In fact, some of these wayward

leaders view Creationists as dangerous extremists and

fundamentalists who will undermine their plans to create a

godless state in Europe.


Following is the entire text, (in its current form), of the

Council of Europe's Resolution 1580, entitled "The Dangers

Of Creationism In Education".



Resolution 1580 (2007)1


1. The aim of this report is not
to question or to

fight a belief - the right to freedom of belief does not

permit that. The aim is to warn against certain tendencies

to pass off a belief as science. It is necessary to separate

belief from science. It is not a matter of antagonism.

Science and belief must be able to coexist. It is not a

matter of opposing belief and science, but it is necessary

to prevent belief from opposing science.


2. For some people the Creation,
as a matter of

religious belief, gives a meaning to life. Nevertheless, the

Parliamentary Assembly is worried about the possible

ill-effects of the spread of creationist ideas within our

education systems and about the consequences for our

democracies. If we are not careful, creationism could become

a threat to human rights which are a key concern of the

Council of Europe.


3. Creationism, born of the denial
of the evolution of

species through natural selection, was for a long time an

almost exclusively American phenomenon. Today creationist

ideas are tending to find their way into Europe and their

spread is affecting quite a few Council of Europe member

states.


4. The prime target of present-day
creationists, most

of whom are Christian or Muslim, is education. Creationists

are bent on ensuring that their ideas are included in the

school science syllabus. Creationism cannot, however, lay

claim to being a scientific discipline.


5. Creationists question the
scientific character of

certain items of knowledge and argue that the theory of

evolution is only one interpretation among others. They

accuse scientists of not providing enough evidence to

establish the theory of evolution as scientifically valid.

On the contrary, they defend their own statements as

scientific. None of this stands up to objective analysis.


6. We are witnessing a growth of
modes of thought

which challenge established knowledge about nature,

evolution, our origins and our place in the universe.


7. There is a real risk of a
serious confusion being

introduced into our children's minds between what has to do

with convictions, beliefs, ideals of all sorts and what has

to do with science. An "all things are equal" attitude may

seem appealing and tolerant, but is in fact dangerous.


8. Creationism has many
contradictory aspects. The

"intelligent design" idea, which is the latest, more refined

version of creationism, does not deny a certain degree of

evolution. However, intelligent design, presented in a more

subtle way, seeks to portray its approach as scientific, and

therein lies the danger.


9. The Assembly has constantly
insisted that science

is of fundamental importance. Science has made possible













considerable improvements in living and working conditions

and is a not insignificant factor in economic, technological

and social development. The theory of evolution has nothing

to do with divine revelation but is built on facts.


10. Creationism claims to be based
on scientific

rigour. In actual fact the methods employed by creationists

are of three types: purely dogmatic assertions; distorted

use of scientific quotations, sometimes illustrated with

magnificent photographs; and backing from more or less

well-known scientists, most of whom are not specialists in

these matters. By these means creationists seek to appeal to

non-specialists and sow doubt and confusion in their minds.


11. Evolution is not simply a
matter of the evolution

of humans and of populations. Denying it could have serious

consequences for the development of our societies. Advances

in medical research with the aim of effectively combating

infectious diseases such as AIDS are impossible if every

principle of evolution is denied. One cannot be fully aware

of the risks involved in the significant decline in

biodiversity and climate change if the mechanisms of

evolution are not understood.


12. Our modern world is based on a
long history, of

which the development of science and technology forms an

important part. However, the scientific approach is still

not well understood and this is liable to encourage the

development of all manner of fundamentalism and extremism.

The total rejection of science is definitely one of the most

serious threats to human rights and civic rights.


13. The war on the theory of
evolution and on its

proponents most often originates in forms of religious

extremism which are closely allied to extreme right-wing

political movements. The creationist movements possess real

political power. The fact of the matter, and this has been

exposed on several occasions, is that some advocates of

strict creationism are out to replace democracy by

theocracy.


14. All leading representatives of
the main

monotheistic religions have adopted a much more moderate

attitude. Pope Benedict XVI, for example, as his predecessor

Pope John-Paul II, today praises the role of the sciences in

the evolution of humanity and recognises that the theory of

evolution is "more than a hypothesis".


15. The teaching of all phenomena
concerning evolution

as a fundamental scientific theory is therefore crucial to

the future of our societies and our democracies. For that

reason it must occupy a central position in the curriculum,

and especially in the science syllabus, as long as, like any

other theory, it is able to stand up to thorough scientific

scrutiny. Evolution is present everywhere, from medical

overprescription of antibiotics that encourages the

emergence of resistant bacteria to agricultural overuse of

pesticides that causes insect mutations on which pesticides

no longer have any effect.


16. The Council of Europe has
highlighted the

importance of teaching about culture and religion. In the

name of freedom of expression and individual belief,

creationist ideas, as any other theological position, could

possibly be presented as an addition to cultural and

religious education, but they cannot claim scientific

respectability.


17. Science provides irreplaceable
training in

intellectual rigour. It seeks not to explain "why things

are" but to understand how they work.


18. Investigation of the
creationists' growing

influence shows that the arguments between creationism and

evolution go well beyond intellectual debate. If we are not

careful, the values that are the very essence of the Council

of Europe will be under direct threat from creationist

fundamentalists. It is part of the role of the Council's

parliamentarians to react before it is too late.


19. The Parliamentary Assembly
therefore urges the

member states, and especially their education authorities:


19.1. to defend and promote
scientific knowledge;


19.2. strengthen the teaching of
the foundations of

science, its history, its epistemology and its methods














alongside the teaching of objective scientific knowledge;


19.3. to make science more
comprehensible, more

attractive and closer to the realities of the contemporary

world;


19.4. to firmly oppose the
teaching of creationism as

a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory

of evolution and in general resist presentation of

creationist ideas in any discipline other than religion;


19.5. to promote the teaching of
evolution as a

fundamental scientific theory in the school curriculum.


20. The Assembly welcomes the fact
that 27 Academies

of Science of Council of Europe member states signed, in

June 2006, a declaration on the teaching of evolution and

calls on academies of science that have not yet done so to

sign the declaration.


1 Assembly debate on 4 October 2007 (35th Sitting) (see Doc.

11375, report of the Committee on Culture, Science and

Education, rapporteur: Mrs Brasseur). Text adopted by the

Assembly on 4 October 2007 (35th Sitting).

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Post by MoNiCa4316 on Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:02 pm

I think that's sad....Sad I've heard things like that before...

Personally I'm a creationist...I know many Christians who agree with evolution, but I have chosen to deny it. I've studied it in university...I just think they are misinterpreting the evidence. I don't think I'm "better" than Christians who believe in evolution..I'm just not convinced about it. And because of that, I'm frequently treated like a "mindless fundamentalist" and called stupid. Oh well.

What actually worries me is that if proposals such as this one will indeed come into effect, our faith would be taken less and less seriously along with creationism..."scientific" is already used as a term of approval, and all that is not so called "scientific" is beginning to be seen as dangerous to "progress" and thus to society. many profs and students at my university (along with the campus newspaper) treat Christianity as some old myth that brainwashed people are still holding on to. In fact there was an article in the newspaper saying exactly that...that we need to "move on" as a society and embrace science as the primary source of knowledge. *sigh* they say "belief and science must be able to coexist", but imply that we should change our beliefs to make that happen.
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Post by Christ is My Life! on Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:35 pm

I am glad you stand firm in your faith!

Personally, I believe there is a serious agenda out there to fool everyone, especially Christians. The more Christians that fall for the agendas, the better the agenda makers feel.

Between evolutionism and many other "Wars" against biblical context and scientific evidences, I often see how Christians are always the ones to get flack for their beliefs. I figure the most persecuted religions, except for a few, are heavily persecuted because they are very close to the truth.....as I feel all religions are tampered with by infiltrators of high degrees. (I sound so positive, don't I? lol)

With saying that, It is the faith of the individual that must stand strong. Changing our beliefs so it can coincide with science is just pathetic. And the Christians who have the fire, the true fire for Christ will see past the lies and tricks and games. Move on as a society? Look what has become of society....it is a stinking joke! We did not come from Monkey's.....just look at a monkey...a gorilla....yes, they have evolved, but they are still here....monkey's of many species and gorillas...baboons etc....

I have heard the claim that the men and women who have extra dark hair on them and can move thier pinky toes independently from the rest of the toes. (Meaning, the other 4 do not move while the pinky toe moves) is proof in their genes. LMBO!!!!!!!!! well

In simple terms, If you have extra hair and can move your little toe, you are living proof of evolution!!! silent

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